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All Hail our Robot Overlords!

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16 Nov 2017 19:35 #257771 by stoic

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16 Nov 2017 20:29 #257773 by hotseatgames
I just watched this and thought, "we are fucked"

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16 Nov 2017 20:46 #257774 by ChristopherMD
But can it use stairs?

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16 Nov 2017 21:41 #257775 by Black Barney
Yeah but can I make sexs with it?

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16 Nov 2017 22:59 #257776 by Pat II
I believe Hotseatgames just said we're fucked so yes.
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17 Nov 2017 08:17 #257780 by Cranberries
Can they make one that is 30 feet tall and fires lasers?

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17 Nov 2017 08:22 - 17 Nov 2017 08:22 #257781 by ThirstyMan
This is more like the future


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17 Nov 2017 08:38 #257784 by Sagrilarus
Boston Dynamics videos always have two facets -- 1) the robot is anthropomorphic or animal-morphic; and until the video above 2) they're always kicking or beating it. It's like they've got an itch to abuse something and spend their time creating robots so they can do it without getting arrested. At no point do they seem to be showing any robotic that is actually doing something useful.



That's what robotics can do.

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17 Nov 2017 08:52 #257786 by SuperflyPete
Yeah, but robotics+AI can do other things

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17 Nov 2017 10:53 #257791 by ThirstyMan
Scare tactics. Tiny swarms are not difficult to defeat with a variety of jamming technologies. If the connection is remote ( so not truly AI) you jam the feed. If truly independent, you either blind them or disrupt their internal electronics. Nothing is impossible to defeat with effort.

Far too many people watching sci fi and believing that is really the future. We cannot even categorise what is meant by consciousness, which I would think, would be an essential precurser to true AI. I saw similar scare stories in the 70s and AI is no closer. Money for AI research is drying up as funders realise that it is the quintessential money sink. There was a huge peak in the mid 70s which really got us nowhere.

Facial recognition defeated by wearing a mask or make up. Yep, computers are nowhere near as smart as we are. They are just faster.
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17 Nov 2017 12:07 #257796 by Sagrilarus

ThirstyMan wrote: I saw similar scare stories in the 70s and AI is no closer. Money for AI research is drying up as funders realise that it is the quintessential money sink. There was a huge peak in the mid 70s which really got us nowhere.


And this in spite of them moving the goal posts WAY closer over the last 25 years. AI has been a dream since the fifties and for the most part it is still relying on brute force methods to solve its problems.

My teams are trying to recognize a whiffle ball with a phone camera for this year's game challenge. The software just can't do it. It looks at the same ball rotated a little bit as a no-match, a different object, in spite of it supposedly having a 3-D mapping of it in memory. Super easy stuff is still incredibly hard for AI, the state of the art just hasn't moved very much in the last 20 years. The stuff that people are making work is hardcore coding one-offs, and that just ain't gonna do it for more general problems.

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17 Nov 2017 12:34 #257798 by SebastianBludd
From what I understand, the more pressing short-term danger of AI is using them to collate, sort and dispense data where the people acting on the resulting output don't understand or are not aware of the AI's hard-coded biases and/or limitations. Simply put, Bias In, Bias Out.
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17 Nov 2017 21:53 #257814 by Pat II
Yeah well I'm a robot..

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17 Nov 2017 22:12 #257815 by ChristopherMD

Pat II wrote: Yeah well I'm a robot..


I don't remember seeing you at any of the Cylon parties.

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17 Nov 2017 23:49 #257821 by SuperflyPete
I worked for a machine vision company for two years in an engineering field. I’m both aware of the limitations and the difficulties, but 17 years ago the particular package I worked on could identify complex geometries and reflectivities with a mix of laser range finding and template based modelling systems. All coded to be operated by someone with very midrange computer skills.

In 1999.

Shit is much better now. Don’t count machine vision out quite yet, and masks and makeup won’t work unless they’re overmolded.

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