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Erik Twice wrote: I thought the movie was a blast! I had some laughs, had fun with the characters and liked the melodrama. Is it actually deep? Who cares, I was there for three hours having fun and never thought I needed more. It's nerdy stuff, and dumb in the same way cool bipedal combat robots are. It's not that it's dumb, per se, it's that the dumb stuff is a large part of the appeal.
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Do you know what's my only real issue with the film? Fighting Thanos is like punching a brick. Seriously, the guy is just inmune. It's like when you are a playing a JRPG and you use a big ass attack with a 10-second animation and flashing lights all over only for the damage counter to show "1". I would have prefered to have him use the gems more and make him less resilent.
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As it stands, Thanos is unkillable and not just from a tough-guy perspective. Anytime anything happens that doesn't work for him he can just turn back time. So it's pointless to fight, short of the author forgetting that particular piece of the plotline. The fight scenes become tedious, and if the fight scenes are tedious, you shouldn't be seeing comic book films.
The only way to defeat Thanos is to get him really drunk, really despondent, and willing to throw everything away and have a good cry. Grab the gauntlet and run, leaving him in the bar without a ride home. My guess is Marvel has no intention of using a "leave the bottle" ending to this particular storyline.
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And *thats* why we do it with superheroes. It can get weird, it can get imaginative, and, unrealistic it may be, it can distill things down to big, bold ideals that, at times, can empower on a more accessible level than any simple, dull military bullshit can. That layer of detachment and escapism sort of breaks down barriers with folks.
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In The Infinity Gauntlet, after snuffing half of the universe's sentient life in a bid to impress Death (didn't work), there was a big fight on a platform in space (including a throne and a bunch of skulls, it was very GW) and he instantly froze all of the heroes and their attacks/projectiles with the Gauntlet. Mephistopheles convinced Thanos to cut himself off from the Gauntlet's reality-spanning sensory input and fight the heroes "fair" in another bid to impress Lady Death (it also didn't work) and he very nearly lost the Gauntlet to the Silver Surfer who, with the planning of Adam Warlock, barely missed grabbing it during a sneak attack.
He ultimately did lose it to his daughter, Nebula, after he shed his earthly form to become incorporeal, while forgetting that his body was still wearing the Gauntlet and he was too late to prevent her grabbing it.
All of that was possible because of his fear of victory and love of death, neither of which are in the movie, so it'll be interesting to see how they move the plot forward in part two since Thanos won and is content to do nothing. I think it was telling that the glove was damaged when he snapped his fingers to kill half of everyone and I wouldn't be surprised if that results in a more fair fight in part two. I'm also undecided whether Dr. Strange gave up the Time Stone to save Tony, or if he did it to save Tony and get up to some shenanigans in the Soul Stone, because that's where I think everyone who he killed with the Gauntlet ended up.
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Josh Look wrote: Sag, I plan on going back and re-reading The Infinity Gauntlet to see how they did it there. Thanos was even more unstoppable and
, but I remember it being cool.Warning: Spoiler!killed just about everyone in that book
And *thats* why we do it with superheroes. It can get weird, it can get imaginative, and, unrealistic it may be, it can distill things down to big, bold ideals that, at times, can empower on a more accessible level than any simple, dull military bullshit can. That layer of detachment and escapism sort of breaks down barriers with folks.
I'm ok with the imaginative solution. But it does sort of mean that all the punching and shooting is pointless.
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Sagrilarus wrote: I'm ok with the imaginative solution. But it does sort of mean that all the punching and shooting is pointless.
MCU movie "punching and shooting" has ranged from "good" (i.e., the Nick Fury and Winter Soldier ambushes in Winter Soldier) to "not this shit again" (i.e., the Wakanda fight in Infinity War), which is one of the reasons why I'm such a big fan of Dr. Strange. There aren't a bajillion interchangeable CGI bad guys during the climax, nor is there a part where Dr. Strange is shooting a magical ray out of his hand to stop the villain's magical ray (and Dr. Strange totally won because he was able to push the villain's ray back because he wanted it more!); it's just a smart guy using his new abilities and his intellect to outwit and extort a victory from the villain.
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Sagrilarus wrote:
Josh Look wrote: Sag, I plan on going back and re-reading The Infinity Gauntlet to see how they did it there. Thanos was even more unstoppable and
, but I remember it being cool.Warning: Spoiler!killed just about everyone in that book
And *thats* why we do it with superheroes. It can get weird, it can get imaginative, and, unrealistic it may be, it can distill things down to big, bold ideals that, at times, can empower on a more accessible level than any simple, dull military bullshit can. That layer of detachment and escapism sort of breaks down barriers with folks.
I'm ok with the imaginative solution. But it does sort of mean that all the punching and shooting is pointless.
But that’s comic books for ya.
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+ looked great
+ most characters got plenty of screen time
+ Thor was awesome
- overall too long
- none of it feels like it has any weight because I know they won't leave things like they are
+- now I feel more compelled to see Thor Ragnarok and Black Panther
- if you didn't know who characters were before this film, you still wouldn't since it assumes you have already watched 10+ hours of MCU
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charlest wrote: I saw it yesterday and enjoyed it. I'm not a big fan of the MCU (It's alright), but this may be my favorite yet. What I enjoyed was that it had real stakes - something I feel is missing from every single super hero film I've seen (Civil War was very benign because of this). Bravo on the ending.
It doesn't give you pause that they're going to Ctrl-Z everything done at the end in the sequel due out next Spring?
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Sagrilarus wrote:
charlest wrote: I saw it yesterday and enjoyed it. I'm not a big fan of the MCU (It's alright), but this may be my favorite yet. What I enjoyed was that it had real stakes - something I feel is missing from every single super hero film I've seen (Civil War was very benign because of this). Bravo on the ending.
It doesn't give you pause that they're going to Ctrl-Z everything done at the end in the sequel due out next Spring?
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charlest wrote: I saw it yesterday and enjoyed it. I'm not a big fan of the MCU (It's alright), but this may be my favorite yet. What I enjoyed was that it had real stakes - something I feel is missing from every single super hero film I've seen (Civil War was very benign because of this). Bravo on the ending.
It doesn't give you pause that they're going to Ctrl-Z everything done at the end in the sequel due out next Spring?
If they undo pretty much everything they did then I will not be happy and it will change how I feel about this film. I haven't read much about the sequel, but this article suggests we don't know for sure if any of the deaths will be undone: www.digitalspy.com/movies/the-avengers/n...not-what-you-expect/
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