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RIP Harlan Ellison 1934-2018
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I don’t think anyone would lionize the man as they do the work.
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Michael Barnes wrote: I certainly wouldn’t say I admire Ellison as a great human being. He wasn’t. He was petty, insufferable, intolerant, loutish, disrespectful, and almost cartoonishly arrogant. But that is al part of what makes him a compelling, singular writer.
I don’t think anyone would lionize the man as they do the work.
I think he was a case where it was hard to determine where the work ends and the man begins. So much of the man is clearly in the work. Go back and watch those “Watching” segments from Sci-Fi, they’re brilliant and it’s all work backing up the man. He was an extreme and I wouldn’t be surprised if he saw himself as a piece of longform performance art. Not that that’s meant to rationalize or dismiss his less than admirable behavior, but as you said, it’s compelling and, if recent events has told us anything, effective. I would never go as far as throwing a typewriter at a publisher, but the ideals buried in all that extreme behavior *are* often admirable. An artist being paid fairly for their work, a writer’s original intent not being tampered with, taking credit for your accomplishments and not attributing your success to the divine will of some imaginary sky bully, and expecting more out of people because you know people are capable greater things are all things I can get behind. I wouldn’t know, but given that it made such a lasting impression on me, maybe he felt the extreme presentation of his ideals necessary.
That being said, chasing after anyone who repurposed a kernel of your ideas and a terrible treatment of women, that I have no respect for nor do I feel he or anyone ever earns the right to do so.
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There is no excusing some of the more transgressive or even abusive behavior...but I also think that we have got to acknowledge that our writers and makers are- like us- fundamentally flawed and broken human beings. It is of course a problem when there is exploitation and victimization involved, and I think that bears scrutiny...but by the same token, no matter what Polanski did or does, Rosemary’s Baby and Chinatown are still masterpieces. The Weinstein name on a film does not suddenly foreclose on its artistic or cultural value.
So you read Ellison knowing how he is as a person, where he stands (which was NEVER in doubt) and you take in all of the good and bad and you know what, that may be one of the things that distinguishes a good writer from a great writer- that complex, polarized matrix of inputs and outputs.
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Black Barney wrote: Which Trek episode did he do?
City On the Edge of Forever.
I watched this somewhat recently. I remember walking away thinking "This is the greatest piece of Science Fiction ever made."
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Josh Look wrote:
Michael Barnes wrote: I certainly wouldn’t say I admire Ellison as a great human being. He wasn’t. He was petty, insufferable, intolerant, loutish, disrespectful, and almost cartoonishly arrogant. But that is al part of what makes him a compelling, singular writer.
I don’t think anyone would lionize the man as they do the work.
He was an extreme and I wouldn’t be surprised if he saw himself as a piece of longform performance art.
-- Harlan EllisonWhen I'm gone, that's it. What's down on the paper, it says 'The End,' that's it. 'Cause right now I'm busy writing the end of the longest story I've ever written, which is me.
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