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Favorite or Best?
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@Chapel, the BGG obsession with filler games is well known. How else can 7 WONDERS make to the top?
Definitely, now so more than ever. The rankings used to be a lot more meaty several years ago. It has evolved quite a bit over the years, not to my tastes. I blame Vasal.
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Black Barney wrote: For instance, the movie Pixels, we all know that's trash. We don't have to see it.
Sure we do. If not we're just depending on the tastemakers to tell us what we like. There's a difference between "I've heard it's bad" and "it's bad." The minute you start using the latter when you have no personal experience on the subject you throw your credibility away. "Didn't see it" is a much better response.
I'm due to watch Pixels with the family on Friday night by the way. They loved it when they saw it in the theater.
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It seems like best is just the collective favorite of critics.
So what's the best Final Fantasy game? 7 is a lot of people's favorite, but I thought it sucked because the characters felt too similar and the plot was boring after the first 5 hours. If people make a list of the top 100 games in some magazine, I imagine that 7 is the most likely to be in that list. My favorite was 4, but I think the consensus is... that 6 is the best? I liked Chrono Trigger and Xenogears better than any of them. I don't think I could sit through Xenogears now though.
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For me, that's like Pixels. I look at the ingredients of that movie and see a few shots of the finished product and it's a "nope" for me.
When I say "that's trash" about something subjective like a movie, it should be obvious that I mean "that's trash to me" since no one can speak objectively about something art or what is personal taste.
I would hate for common sense to leave normal conversation to the point that you have to pull 'safeties" like that in your normal speech. Political correctness is bad enough, but this would be just way too much.
Hope you enjoy Pixels. I bet you won't.
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I think the key to the best/favorite conundrum is to simply remember that if someone says anything on the internet about anything, tack on "in my opinion". It's not like any of us are spouting objective "truths", especially about such a subjective field of interest. It's not easy with anything, but especially on entertainment stuff. For example: My wife loves Jerry Springer's and Steve Wilkos' shows. I cannot stand them; I think they are horrible, exploitative shows. She thinks they're some of the best, I think they're definitely some of the worst.
Who's right? If you base it off of Nielsen ratings (which, incidentally, are better than BGG ratings in many ways) or "overall entertainment value", then she is closer to right than I am. I have to admit, seeing two trailer trash sisters pull off each others' wigs is certainly entertaining. If you base them off of cultural value or quality of show design, however, they are both horribly derivative, have no artistic value, and add nothing to culture other than displaying stupidity. So, I'd be right.
Thus, there is no "Objective Best", and cannot really be, because the beauty and utility of anything is wholly subjective.
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sagrilarus wrote:
Black Barney wrote: For instance, the movie Pixels, we all know that's trash. We don't have to see it.
Sure we do. If not we're just depending on the tastemakers to tell us what we like. There's a difference between "I've heard it's bad" and "it's bad." The minute you start using the latter when you have no personal experience on the subject you throw your credibility away. "Didn't see it" is a much better response.
I'm due to watch Pixels with the family on Friday night by the way. They loved it when they saw it in the theater.
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"Don't drink that milk, it's gone bad."
"SCREW YOU, YOU DON'T DECIDE MY TASTE!" *drinks milk*
"I told you it was bad!"
"I ONLY DRANK ONE SIP! I CAN'T REALLY FORM AN OPINION UNTIL I DRINK THE ENTIRE THING!"
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Black Barney wrote: For me, that's like Pixels. I look at the ingredients of that movie and see a few shots of the finished product and it's a "nope" for me.
That's a whole different statement from "we all know that's trash."
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Looking forward to an update on what you think of that movie.
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I was thinking recently about how much this hobby has grown lately. When you're a bunch of krusty old gamers like we are, it's easy to miss that board gaming has exploded over the last few years. That's probably why Essen buzz seems to be revolving around lighter games. The percentage of new gamers is way higher than it's been for a long time.
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Oh, I understand the points people are trying to make but part of me couldnt help but have a wry smile at the guy who was incredulous that there was any meaning outside his own, honest, personal top ten. Maybe thats just me getting older.
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San Il Defanso wrote: A weird flip-side version of the best-vs-favorite debate I see on BGG is people who are incredulous that someone would ever enjoy a game that isn't highly-ranked.
There's a guy on this web site that does this exact thing week after week, month after month. It happens everywhere.
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