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The index is not useful; it only shows the last post. The sitemap is less useful than that. And I don't want to subscribe to posts; I don't need or want a flood of messages in my inbox. I'm not a delicate soul whose eyes are too precious to see bad words. There either needs to be an opt-in toggle or something to allow us hardier folk to read what we want in our forum page, or maybe the staff needs to consider whether it wants Bitchfest at all. Creating a second-class forum that you have to actively search for is basically saying you wish it didn't exist.
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QFT. There needs to be one page to see them all. (Hmm, that sounds familiar...)
Hey, where's font sizing gone?
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Bullwinkle wrote: Creating a second-class forum that you have to actively search for is basically saying you wish it didn't exist.
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Hatchling wrote: I agree with Bullwinkle, and especially with this:
Bullwinkle wrote: Creating a second-class forum that you have to actively search for is basically saying you wish it didn't exist.
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I disagree. Bitchfest has always been different from the other categories. In particular, you can't see it at all unless you're registered and logged in. This is not new.
If anyone wished that Bitchfest did not exist, then the most obvious way to express that is to lock it or to make it not exist. That hasn't been done and to my knowledge nobody has contemplated doing that.
All it takes to follow Bitchfest is to click on "Index." Not a big deal in my personal opinion, and certainly not the same thing as "hiding" it.
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" Bitchfest has always been different from the other categories. In particular, you can't see it at all unless you're registered and logged in."
Then why isn't this sufficient? By removing it from Recent Threads you are making it even more of a second class citizen.
" All it takes to follow Bitchfest is to click on "Index." Not a big deal in my personal opinion"
It is a big deal. I didn't discover this for two days, until someone else pointed it out. The Deleted Post thread had half a dozen pages of comments that I didn't get to read until after it was locked. Can you not appreciate how annoying that is? Someone should have posted a thread to inform everyone about the change. Regarding "All it takes to follow Bitchfest is to click on Index", why make a change that makes it harder for us? Yes, it's a small thing, but it's still profoundly irritating that you're deliberately putting an extra hurdle in the way.
And since I'm on the topic of changes that make things worse, I'll mention the pop-up login window. Autofill doesn't work on it so I have to click enter, click no to the 'save in keychain' dialogue, then I finally get a correctly autofilled login screen that I click on, and finally I'm there. I mentioned that ages ago when it was first introduced and no one bothered to reply. The result of that change was, instead of my visiting F:AT several times a day, I only visited once a day. Consequently I posted less. (And no, I didn't try to find a way round the newly created problem.) I'm not suggesting the Bitchfest change is as big as that one. I'm just pointing out that any change that makes F:AT harder for the users to navigate is going to have detrimental effects.
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Well, seeing as how I'm registered and logged in and can't see it anymore unless I actively go to it, this is new.Juniper wrote: I disagree. Bitchfest has always been different from the other categories. In particular, you can't see it at all unless you're registered and logged in. This is not new.
So the site redesign is good, because what? It makes the site harder to use? This is a good thing, then?If anyone wished that Bitchfest did not exist, then the most obvious way to express that is to lock it or to make it not exist. That hasn't been done and to my knowledge nobody has contemplated doing that.
All it takes to follow Bitchfest is to click on "Index." Not a big deal in my personal opinion, and certainly not the same thing as "hiding" it.
Make something harder to do, and fewer people will do it. This is Design 101. You know it, uba knows it, everyone knows it. Saying 'well, we're not really hiding it' doesn't change that fact.
You may not care about it, but a number of users have told you in this thread that they do. And there would probably be more, but since this post is
But, whatever. Part of the new site direction, so nothing to complain about, right?
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Bullwinkle wrote: You may not care about it, but a number of users have told you in this thread that they do. And there would probably be more, but since this post is
hiddennot visible unless you go looking for it, they probably don't even realize the discussion's taking place.
But, whatever. Part of the new site direction, so nothing to complain about, right?
This discussion is not in Bitchfest.
All I did was disagree with the idea that anybody wanted Bitchfest to "not exist," and I gave my reasons for disagreeing. If you have a complaint, then that is perfectly valid. I was responding to what I saw as factual errors.
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But it is still hidden ('Complaints' threads) from the 'Recent Topics' view of the forums, so please do not try and change or cloud the original topic - that certain forums now have been made 'less' visible to people.Juniper wrote:
Bullwinkle wrote: You may not care about it, but a number of users have told you in this thread that they do. And there would probably be more, but since this post is
hiddennot visible unless you go looking for it, they probably don't even realize the discussion's taking place.
But, whatever. Part of the new site direction, so nothing to complain about, right?
This discussion is not in Bitchfest.
All I did was disagree with the idea that anybody wanted Bitchfest to "not exist," and I gave my reasons for disagreeing. If you have a complaint, then that is perfectly valid. I was responding to what I saw as factual errors.
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Bitchfest has also been removed from recent topics page. It will stay there at least until we can work out a solution to the paradoxical desires of our membership which seems to be:
1. Members should be able to post anything they want any way they want.
2. No one should ever be suspended (a.k.a. banned)
3. No post or comment should ever be edited or unpublished
4. Make so-and-so stop doing thus-and-such
5. Make so-and-so's posse stop piling on
6. And no I won't take my spats with a single individual to PM
And typically all 6 of these desires are expressed by the same individual.
This site may have very few rules, but it does have some expectations of behavior. Those expectations are rather minimal. (re-read the forum policies if you haven't done so in a while). Until we can think up a better solution that can meet all of the above desires of our members, behavior that does not meet these minimal expectations will be moved into bitchfest which will not appear in the recent topics. Thus the participants are not suspended from the site, the content is not removed from the site, but behavior that does not meet the site's rather lenient policy, and interferes with the normal purpose and function of the site is essentially moved off the primary site hubs (front page and recent topics). At the very least, we hope this will reduce the "pile on" problem and allow members to work out their issues without it being escalated by a bunch of rubberneckers.
From my point of view, I feel the members of F:AT are adults, and should easily be able to meet the rather minimal expectations of behavior on this site. They should be able to work out personal disagreements with each other on their own in a way that does not disrupt the normal purpose and function of this site. They should be able to do this in a manner that does not require the involvement of a moderator, let alone the participation of the entire site membership. As a result, nothing should ever need to get moved to an area like bitchfest or thunderdome.
If you are one of those members who are under the misconception that the normal function and purpose of F:AT is to feature Jr. High School drama, ugly interpersonal arguments, and general internet wank, then I suggest that for the time being you set bitchfest as your bookmark for the site.
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That sounds like me except I'm all up for deleting/editing posts .... and we're all big enough to take a ban if we overshoot rules set by the site owners.ubarose wrote: Bitchfest has also been removed from recent topics page. It will stay there at least until we can work out a solution to the paradoxical desires of our membership which seems to be:
1. Members should be able to post anything they want any way they want.
2. No one should ever be suspended (a.k.a. banned)
3. No post or comment should ever be edited or unpublished
4. Make so-and-so stop doing thus-and-such
5. Make so-and-so's posse stop piling on
6. And no I won't take my spats with a single individual to PM
And typically all 6 of these desires are expressed by the same individual.
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