Shadow War: Armageddon

All you need to know right here:

www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Sha...WA_Killteams_ENG.pdf

60 pages of faction rules.

Man, I can't wait for this!

Sounds like you'll want to hop on this ASAP if you're interested in a copy. It's sold out in other regions and sounds like they may not do another print run. They will be putting up a full rulebook ebook in a few weeks and the terrain has always been meant as a standalone thing though. Seems they misjudged demand again.

It's not up on the US webstore yet, but should be soon.

Only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger is the fairly reliable rumors of a stripped down 8th edition coming this summer. This Leman Rus that's been sitting in my closet for a decade needs something to do!!

Yesterday I was busy. I bought the latest White Dwarf, a box of Skitarii, and kickstarted the mdf terrain. The guy in the shop said that Shadow War sold out just from pre-orders.

People are freaking out that it sold through...I think what people are missing is that it sold out of preorders...it's not like they are going to turn away thousands and thousands of sales on a limited release that they did lots of promotion for including a big showing at GAMA. More will be coming, just not for launch day.

GW has a bunch of kill team bundles for sale now, but I think they are just compiling the core unit box and then the specialist boxes. I haven't done the numbers but I don't think they are much of savings if any. The Tau box is the cheapest at $98, most are $100-$130.

Confused about the Grey Knights one, you get ten GKs (so two boxes) but can only field five. I guess you can use the extra for options.

Thinking about either GKs or Skiitari...

I saw that there's an Imperial Guard kill team in the store, but they're AWOL in the rulebook. Which is a pity, because I am between these guys and Skitarii.

Different topic for those of you familiar with Necromunda. I find it is pretty rules-heavy, it is like two-three generations before AoS and it shows. Do you think it will be playable nowadays? I know nostalgia and all, and die-hards will be happy no matter what, but there has been some serious progress in board and miniature gaming in the last 10 years, to say nothing about the new X-COM. Bottom line - you kind of walk into squad-based tactics with certain expectations.

I need a cheap way to get a skitarii Enginseer and 1 rust stalker and 1 infiltrator. The prices on those are insane, and I don't want 5 of them, I only want 2.

Maybe we can split them? Shipping sprues is really cheap.

That would help on the stalkers but not the Enginseer. Cheapest I saw one on ebay was $24.

Vlad wrote: Different topic for those of you familiar with Necromunda. I find it is pretty rules-heavy, it is like two-three generations before AoS and it shows. Do you think it will be playable nowadays? I know nostalgia and all, and die-hards will be happy no matter what, but there has been some serious progress in board and miniature gaming in the last 10 years, to say nothing about the new X-COM. Bottom line - you kind of walk into squad-based tactics with certain expectations.

I used to be pretty heavy into it, but haven't played in a decade. Mordheim, legends of the old west/high seas took up my campaign level skirmishing after 2008ish. And even those have sadly been neglected.

I think it'll be playable nowadays, assuming the Armageddon rules are essentially the same. It was a fairly solid system. That said, there could be much 'better' types of systems out now, that may seem more contemporary, but I was never dissatisfied with necromunda. In fact, the 2nd ed 40k rules worked the best at this scale, rather than squad based. But the same was also true for Rogue Trader as well.

It'll be playable nowadays. We played Necromunda a shit ton a couple decades ago and got into it recently about 6 years ago. It's a simple ruleset that makes sense. Pretty basic really with complications arising from falling off platforms/falling damage, campaign rules, pinning, hand to hand.

Vlad - Imperial Guard (Astra Militarum) Veterans are actually in the printed book that comes with the game. Alongside Space Marine Scouts and Orks.

The only thing I'm disappointed on is that I bought a bunch of Chaos Cultists thinking cultists would be their own faction (I mean, they have champions and heavies so why not?) and now I realized they're only a single unit option for Chaos Space Marines. This caused me to spend another $60 on a Chaos Space Marine squad on ebay.

I now have 40ish Chaos units, all painted, for around $110 shipped. If you're not interested in painting, I'd watch ebay and try and pickup a painted squad for cheap. There's many available to varying degrees of quality.

Colorcrayons wrote:

Vlad wrote: I used to be pretty heavy into it, but haven't played in a decade. Mordheim, legends of the old west/high seas took up my campaign level skirmishing after 2008ish. And even those have sadly been neglected..

Alongside my current obsessions of Shadow Wars, Blood Bowl and LOTR I've also been reading a lot of the rulebooks on Legends of the Old West. Tell me more! I've been watching these battle reports and can't stop thinking about old west shootouts.

charlest wrote: It'll be playable nowadays. We played Necromunda a shit ton a couple decades ago and got into it recently about 6 years ago. It's a simple ruleset that makes sense. Pretty basic really with complications arising from falling off platforms/falling damage, campaign rules, pinning, hand to hand.

Vlad - Imperial Guard (Astra Militarum) Veterans are actually in the printed book that comes with the game. Alongside Space Marine Scouts and Orks.

The only thing I'm disappointed on is that I bought a bunch of Chaos Cultists thinking cultists would be their own faction (I mean, they have champions and heavies so why not?) and now I realized they're only a single unit option for Chaos Space Marines. This caused me to spend another $60 on a Chaos Space Marine squad on ebay.

I now have 40ish Chaos units, all painted, for around $110 shipped. If you're not interested in painting, I'd watch ebay and try and pickup a painted squad for cheap. There's many available to varying degrees of quality.

I agree, those initial unit lists of what would be playable made me think I could do Eldar Dire Avengers on their own, but it's really Dire Avengers + Eldar Guardians. Not a huge deal, but it has me looking at other factions I could play with one box of minis rather than two.

Mark, if you want to split some Sicarians I'd be up for it I think.

There are definitely some "one box" factions and some that aren't. Necrons, Eldar, CSMs, and Tyranids are not. But Tau, Dark Eldar, Grey Knights, Genestealer Cults and Skitarii are. Although I think you may need two boxes of Grey Knights just because their are only five and that locks you down on weapon choice (at least that's what I've come up with). Of course with all, the specialists are a separate thing.

I am concerned about the preorders at Doc's...I know retailers get an allocation and I put mine in I think within minutes of it going up...but if it doesn't work oit I'm just going with Promethium Forge and a rules download.

Yes, let's do it. I'll PM about that later. This is my first purchase from Doc... how does this usually go down? Will he email once he actually has stuff, and is sending it out? Will he email if he didn't get enough to cover pre-orders?

Doc just emails me when an order is sent out. I have an item that I purchased in December that has not shipped yet (Index Chaotica). It's first wave sold out and I had no indication of this other than not receiving it with the rest of the order and a note with that package.

I only get information on it when I request an update. The responses have been quick and usually within a couple of hours.