I may have to pay off after all

Well after reading that thread several times I don't find JC is being a racist, Sorry. I also don't see how the term 'black' is as acceptable as you guys are making it out to be. You certainly wouldn't call an aboriginal a black man around here.

Mr Skeletor wrote:

Well after reading that thread several times I don't find JC is being a racist, Sorry. I also don't see how the term 'black' is as acceptable as you guys are making it out to be. You certainly wouldn't call an aboriginal a black man around here.

I don't think Clearclaw is racist.

I think he is a douche.

Mr Skeletor wrote:

Well after reading that thread several times I don't find JC is being a racist, Sorry. I also don't see how the term 'black' is as acceptable as you guys are making it out to be. You certainly wouldn't call an aboriginal a black man around here.

He's deliberately using (antiquated) racist language to make some insane point about how visible minorities shouldn't be so easily offended since we're all, according to him, "just people." It's a one-two punch of deliberate provocation followed up by his usual bullshit pseudo-intellectual condescension. This is just par for the Clearclaw course, but when he's intentionally baiting specific ethnic minorities with it, then it starts to smell.

Lagduf wrote:

I don't think Clearclaw is racist.

I think he is a douche.

QFT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te9Qk83fDsE&feature=related

a couple of nice gentlemen in the first 1:30 throw negro around pretty well.
I'm sure they have multiple dictionaries on their desk and know the word's meaning.


Although clearclaw's behavior is better summarised by

he fucking dick then bullshit.

Mr Skeletor wrote:

Well after reading that thread several times I don't find JC is being a racist, Sorry. I also don't see how the term 'black' is as acceptable as you guys are making it out to be. You certainly wouldn't call an aboriginal a black man around here.

I basically agree with you on the clearclaw [edit: but Juniper pretty much hits the douchebaggery-quotient on the head], though the language *is* essentially antiquated racialist [not "racist"] terminology in the US [though he's transplanted brit, isn't he?]. However, the "acceptability" of the term "black" is probably a substantial cultural difference between the US and Australia, Frank. Black was the term that that group adopted to identify themselves, not one that was imposed on them by the dominant culture, whether under the guise of "science" ["negroid"] or not. I might be wrong, but I didn't think that "Black is Beautiful" or "Black Power/Black Pride" were particularly common slogans down under. The term "Negro," however, is dead and gone in the US these days unless you're over the age of 80 and a bit thick. I suspect calling an aboriginal "black" in Australia is the linguistic equivalent of trotting out "boy" [which was the common condescending white folk term for black workers until at least the mid-1960s] or even "nigger" in the US.

The identity issues surrounding Aboriginals and African-Americans strike me as being very different, as is the history of how they were treated. I certainly don't have anywhere close to the the background in Australian race relations as I do in post-Civil War US race relations, it always struck me that issues surrounding Australian Aboriginals are much closer to the US/Indian relations--issues surrounding land, culture, "savages and the white man's burden", and, ultimately, attempted eradication--than black/white race relations, which, particularly in the 20th century, really boiled down to skin color and the somewhat bizarre society that created/maintained, either through explicitly legal means or simply culturally-enforced phenomena (google "U.S. white flight" ) a segregated state embodied in the idea of "separate but equal" [while it was mostly the former, it was nowhere close to the latter].

Dogmatix wrote:

[though he's transplanted brit, isn't he?]

he was deported for crimes against having a sense of humour.

moss_icon wrote:

Dogmatix wrote:

[though he's transplanted brit, isn't he?]

he was deported for crimes against having a sense of humour.

No wonder US/British relations are at an all-time low.

i believe one of Obama's first (and surely most popular) acts as president will be repatriating him.

So, on the Aussie aboriginal thing, what is the "polite" term? Is it 'aboriginal'? And am I correct in thinking that 'abo' is considered somewhat derogatory?

there is no such thing as "polite" in australia.

While I managed to "turn about" upon HIM with something that I'd often heard exclaimed by seemingly NON-'racist' folk, so does that 'count'?

The plot thickens -- "It is a fine and correct English word." This is the safest money I've ever owned.

Sagrilarus wrote:

The plot thickens -- "It is a fine and correct English word."

That's what made me lose my temper.

I think that's his whole point. I think it's a game in itself to him, and he enjoys it because there's no way for him to lose. He enjoys the argument. I worked with a guy like that once.

Sag.